01 August 2006

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Ok, this post is mostly rambling, but it's much too late at night and I have way too much to do tomorrow for me to invest any more time in it.

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Ace posts today on a question that's often bothered me: does an artist's intent affect his work?

More specifically, Ace wants to know: "Do the failings of a man, which seem to directly inform the aesthetic choices in his work, reduce the power of that work?"

I think they do, and would go further than that, as for me personally, the failings of a man reduce the power of everything he does, not just art. I am frustratingly unable to separate a person from his acts. The classic example I generally use to explain my feelings is Dr. King. The man was a serial adulterer, and because of that, while I know intellectually that he was a great man who accomplished a lot of good, I am still completely unable to admire him.

That's why I don't like to know anything about people's private lives. I'd rather just go on admiring Hermann von Helmholtz (for example), without knowing that [insert whatever horrible thing he did]. And it makes me mad when people feel the need to tell me about such failings, because I don't see why we can't admire people without having to hear all that. Why can't we have heroes?

(That's exactly what bothered me about Jackson's Lord of the Rings adaptation. I love the movies, and think they are generally faithful to the books; but where they fail is that they don't let anyone be larger than life. Aragorn isn't conflicted about his heritage or hesitant to take up the sceptre of Annuminas. He's supposed to be perfect, the better to highlight the accomplishments of fallible hobbits like Frodo and Sam.)

At the same time, I do like to know the truth...I am sort of glad, for example, that I know that much of Yankee Doodle Dandy was made of whole cloth. (I'm also glad that the silly CO storyline in Sergeant York is entirely unsubstantiated.)

It's a difficult issue for me.

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Blogger Mrs. Peel said...

I dunno, I shouldn't have published this, at least not till I went over it some more. I didn't define my terms well at all or marshal an argument...Oh well, I would say I'd go over it this weekend, but a) I have to work for part of the weekend and b) I have either a date or shenanigans with my friends for the rest of the weekend.

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Anonymous Enas Yorl said...

I'm gonna have to take an issue with your assessment of Aragorn here too. I re-read LotR shortly after the last movie came out with a new (and more mature) perspective on the material. Aragorn did have his doubts about his ability & suitability to assume the throne. In the books this thread was definitely in the background, but it was definitely there. It was actually a bit of a sore point between Gandalf & Aragorn. Aragorn didn't really believe in his destiny until he pwned Sauron in the duel of wills over the palantir. It was after that event he started to assert his identity as the Heir of Isildur.

Anyway, my $.02. Enjoy your weekend!

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We all have serious flaws, but can still do good in this world, help others, and love deeply.

I admire YOU, Mrs Peel.

Now go on your date.

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I got to the Mel Gibson party late, so the thread at Ace's was already at the bottom of the page before I knew what I wanted to say. When it comes to the issue of teasing apart an artist's beliefs from the artist's works, I think there are two daughter issues that need to be resolved.

First is the question of whether or not the artist's views are reflected in the work, and second, does the expression of those views in the work take away from appreciation of the "piece."

I think the most recent examples of the first question are Oliver Stone's movies. JFK = artist's views present; WTC = view's not present (or at least too small to be noticed) I think this issue should be viewed through authorial intent, a la Goldstein. The art is to be interpreted as the artist intended.

The second issue is a bit more subjective: does the presence of the artist's views change the consumer's appreciation (regardless of intent). In that regard, I think its still acceptable for reasonable people to like The Passion or Wagner's music even if they are colored by the artist's views.

I think I'm going to go start a blog now and call it Carbohydate Wisdom.

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